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Monday, July 18. 2005Review of Cingular Wireless
I recently switched from Sprint PCS to Cingular. Here are some of my experiences with Cingular's service. I will be posting separate reviews in the coming week about my phones and my experience with Sprint over the past few years.
Background and Technology Cingular is a nationwide mobile phone carrier. Unlike most American carriers, Cingular uses GSM. GSM is a set of digital standards that is used by approximately 70% of the world's cell-using population, and is most widely deployed in Europe and Asia. I have discovered there are some advantages to GSM:
It seems that the coolest, smallest (and also best-priced) phones come out first in GSM. I suspect that's because the GSM market is much larger than the mostly North American CDMA market. Terah and I signed up for the cheapest 2-phone plan from Cingular, a $60/mo "FamilyTalk" plan with 500 anytime minutes per month (that roll over to the next month if unused), and unlimited nights/weekends and mobile-to-mobile calling. We both have Motorola v551 phones. Click here to read the full review... Why We Chose Cingular We live in a rural area, so there are not a lot of choices. The four wireless carriers available here are Sprint, Cingular, Alltel, and Cellular One. Cellular One was out of the picture for many reasons. I'll talk about the problems with Sprint in a separate review. That left Cingular and Alltel. Alltel seems to have nice coverage in our area by looking at their maps, but friends that use Alltel give a very different picture. So that left Cingular. Also, their use of GSM was a plus. Ordering, Activation, and Porting We wanted to keep our existing cell phone numbers. To do that, you "port" your number from one carrier to the next. You sign up with a new carrier, then they electronically notify the former carrier of the change, and cancel your service with the former carrier automatically. I placed my order over the phone on a Thursday. Cingular's phone sales reps seemed very knowledgable and were more than happy to answer my questions about SIM cards, the mechanics of porting, and even how I could switch back to Sprint without penalty if I were unsatisfied with Cingular during my first 30 days with them. I know that the cellphone industry has a (justified, imho) reputation for having poor customer service, and Cingular probably has its share of bad apples as well. But I was impressed that almost every person I've talked to at Cingular is willing to give me their full name and extension number (and not just the people in sales). I like this, and it makes things run more smoothly. In this case, the person that answered my questions gave me his extension number. I placed my order with him later in the day, and he was able to give me $30 off our phone even though the $30 off sale had expired the day before. Friday afternoon, someone from the Cingular number porting department called. There was a problem porting our number in from Sprint. Turns out the original salesperson made a 1-digit typo somewhere. Theoretically everything was fixed by Friday evening. Monday, our phones arrived, but the automated activation line wouldn't work. Cingular reps were quite confused about what was going on in their billing system. Turns out that one of our numbers ported in, and the other one somehow got "lost" somewhere. Once that was fixed, one phone got activated. The other one wouldn't; it's SIM card was deactivated due to too many attempts to activate it. So I had to go to a Cingular store Tuesday and get a replacement SIM card. This was rather annoying, and of course I wanted my phone activated ASAP. On the other hand, everyone I spoke to was polite, and took whatever time it took to look into and do what they could to solve the problem. Nobody just hung up on me or transferred me to a busy signal like Sprint did so often. However, Cingular obviously has some problems with their billing system, and probably also with training their people. Signal and Network Overall, in this area, Cingular does a better job than any other national carrier of providing a signal outside of big cities and major roadways. They do this partially with their own towers and partially with agreements with other cell providers. It's important to note, though, that with Cingular, you don't really know when you're on their towers or someone else's. Everything acts the same either way, and there are never roaming fees with Cingular unless you leave the United States. Call quality once a signal is established is pretty much on par with Sprint. I'm happy with Cingular's coverage. It seems that it sometimes takes longer to connect an outgoing call, though. We live in an area that is on the border between different towers, with both Cingular and Sprint. Our Sprint phones would sometimes jump from high signal strength to very low signal strength (or vice-versa). The Cingular phones seem more stable, but also a bit slower to react to changing circumstances. Some exceptions to the above apply with data services. One downside to "no roaming" is that when you're in a part of the country where Cingular (or its partners) don't provide coverage, you have no signal whatsoever. There is no off-network roaming with Cingular, and that cuts both ways -- no exhorbitant roaming fees, but also no coverage in some areas. In my state, these areas are mostly the sparsely-populated rural areas far from highways. The sort of place we get to a few times a year for camping trips and the like. We will be keeping one of our old Sprint phones for use in emergencies. (By Federal law, all cell phones -- even one with no active account -- must be able to dial 911). I believe that the reason for the lack of coverage in these areas is that GSM phones work with GSM only. Many of the off-network roaming carriers in my state still use analog (AMPS) technology, which has numerous drawbacks. Cingular's phones speak GSM only, so where there are no GSM towers, there is no GSM signal. Cingular company-owned stores, sales reps, and customer service reps have access to detailed street-level coverage estimation systems and are a good resource if you have coverage questions. Plans, Pricing, and Contracts Cingular publishes current information about their plans and pricing at their website. In our area, no "regional" calling plan was available. The National plans have no roaming charges anywhere in the USA as described above. Their plans that include two phones start at $60/mo for 500 "anytime" minutes. My wife and I don't need that many anytime minutes, but went with that plan anyway because it's the cheapest. All of the other companies that I checked had their 2-phone plans priced at around $60 to $65 as well, so it's not like Cingular is any worse. Most Cingular customers will be signing a 2-year contract when establishing service. I've found Cingular's contracts to be less restrictive than Sprint's. Here are some examples:
Cingular also has a feature called "rollover minutes". If you don't use all of the minutes in your plan one month, they are still available to you the next month, in addition to your regular allotment that month. Very nice feature if you ask me. Cingular has a 30-day "grace period" after the initial activation of your service. During this time, you can cancel your Cingular service, no questions asked, and not have to pay any penalty. You can also exchange your Cingular phones, again no questions asked, if you're unhappy with the phone you purchased. (I have done the latter). Customer Service I was a Sprint customer for many years. I was generally happy with their network (except for the poor coverage in rural areas), but their customer service was very bad for the entire time. I've written before about times they over-charged me by hundreds of dollars, made various mistakes with setting up my account, etc. For awhile, it was just something to live with. I didn't have to call customer service all that often, and as I've said, if you have a signal on the Sprint network, you usually get good service. (Except for the occasional trouble with the voicemail indicator). But when you do have to talk to Sprint, it is never a pleasant experience. They tend to mess up any change they attempt, give conflicting information, are often rude, etc. As a result, I try to call Sprint as little as possible. And this customer service problem is the main reason they lost us -- we wanted to get a new phone, Sprint requires a contract extension when this is done, and we were tired of having to deal with a company that takes so much time and energy to deal with. (The better Cingular coverage for rural areas was the other main resaon.) With Cingular, it's been entirely different. As I mentioned above, I did have trouble getting my phone activated. However, Cingular employees always admitted when they were confused, and never just told me a lie to make me go away. They also almost always volunteered their full first and last name and extension number before I even asked. I was never once hung up on or transferred to a non-existant number. In short, I am not afraid to call Cingular, fearful of what weird problem they will cause on our account for daring to ask a question or give them some money. Cingular stores seemed generally better than Sprint's, with wait times before speaking to someone usually around 15-20 minutes (Sprint's could be an hour or more). The store employees generally seemed competant. Some weren't exactly friendly and polite, but nobody was downright rude, either. The Cingular store people don't appear to work well with (or even get along well with) Cingular phone sales and phone support people. I heard a Cingular store rep several times complain about customers wanting help with a phone that they bought online or over the phone. Apparently, Cingular stores are mostly independant as far as revenue is concerned, and they don't like spending time helping people that didn't buy from them. (Though in each case, after griping about the problem, the store employees did wind up providing help.) Cingular really ought to fix this, since most people would assume that if you buy from one place owned by Cingular, another place owned by Cingular ought to be able to help. In one instance, I had a problem with the Internet access on my phone. I called Cingular customer support. The rep couldn't figure out why I was having trouble, and sent me over to technical support (their "tier 2" support, I guess). After bouncing around a bit between divisions, I got another rep who stayed on line with me while I talked to technical support and made sure that they resolved the matter. I appreciated this, and while I was annoyed at being sent to the wrong division to start with, everyone was polite and helpful when they sent me to the proper place. If Cingular continues to provide generally good service, I think they will go a lot farther towards ensuring customer loyalty than Sprint could ever do. Data Services and Internet Cingular offered me $20 off a phone if I signed up for a $5/mo Internet package (which we can cancel at any time after the first month), so I signed up and have tried out their data services. There are two data services available from Cingular: GPRS and EDGE (aka EGPRS). GPRS is the older and slower service, and EDGE is the newer and faster one. There is no practical difference between the two except for speed, and no other user-visible difference either. Some older/cheaper Cingular phones support only GPRS, while most newer ones will work with both GPRS and EDGE. Cingular tech support told me that all Cingular-owned towers nationwide support EDGE these days. However, even though your phone says you're on the Cingular network, you may not be associated with a Cingular tower. Some non-Cingular towers may support GPRS only, or perhaps no data service at all. Note that on the Cingular coverage maps, you can't distinguish non-Cingular towers from Cingular ones (since you notice no differences with voice coverage either way). Cingular sales and support reps *can* distinguish between these, though. I had a couple of weird problems at my home. First, my phone would sometimes show EDGE available, sometimes GPRS available, and sometimes nothing available. Secondly, even when the phone showed GPRS available, I couldn't get online (I could only get online when EDGE was showing as available.) It turns out that both of these were due to my particular location. As I mentioned, our home is at the edge of the coverage area from several different towers, so over time, phones at our house may "bounce" from one tower to the next as they try to get the best possible signal. Apparently, I would sometimes associate with a non-Cingular tower. Again, this is not noticable for voice (all regular voice features work transparently either way). However, one of the non-Cingular towers indicated it supports GPRS even though it doesn't relay GPRS data on behalf of Cingular customers. So, the bottom line is: the availability indicator on your phone is sometimes unreliable. My understanding is that the non-Cingular towers are mostly in rural areas; metropolitan areas and many highways have the Cingular-owned EDGE towers. However, I don't know if this holds network-wide. Cingular is probably one of the best American text messaging companies due to the native SMS support in GSM. However, I have no need for text messaging, so I haven't tested it. Online Account Access Like most companies, Cingular provides a website where you can access your Cingular account online to check your usage, billing, etc. It appears to be somewhat more accurate and informative than Sprint's, but otherwise fairly standard. Referral Program If you refer another customer to Cingular, you and the referred customers both get a $25 Visa gift card. See referral.cingular.com for more details. Miscellaneous For some reason, Cingular phones seem to introduce audible buzzing into computer equipment when they're close to the computers (within 5-15 feet or so). It's a strange effect that no other phone has ever cased, as far as I know. I even had this appear on two of our traditional phones. I'm guessing there's some sort of interference based on the transmission frequency used on the Cingular network, but I don't know. It didn't seem to have any negative effect aside from the audible effects from speakers, and the problem is trivially addressed by moving phones away from speakers and systems. Resources Helpful resources: Trackbacks
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The buzzing effect you describe is a common effect of GSM phones. The same effect can also show as temporary distortion of your monitor picture. I am not aware of any permanent ill effects.
In addition to during a call, the effect precedes an incoming phone call by a few seconds, which is sometimes useful (but the effect does appear sometimes without an incoming call - it probably is caused by the phone telling the tower that it is there).
You picked the Motorola V551. I was comparing these with the <a href=http://www.phonescoop.com/phones/phone.php?p=497>Sony Ericsson Z500a</a>, and wondered why you picked the V551.
I'm going to post a more thorough review of the V551 in a little while, but I did look at the Z500a as well.
There were several reasons. The V551 has bluetooth, which is very nice, and the Z500a doesn't. The Z500a also seemed to lack a lot of the customizability and more advanced features in the V551. Also, I wanted a device with top-notch RF, and it seemed from reviews online that this would be the V551. Having said that, the Z500a does look like a nice phone and is probably a better choice if you care more about things like multimedia and messaging than voice or bluetooth. It's also about $50 cheaper.
I have used the Motorola V551 for a little over a year now. It has served me beautifully. In fact, when I bought it, I couldn't have been happier about my choice(I'm a gizmo gadget kinda person). It served very well until about 2 months ago. I have a few theories as to why it would stop working as well. My top being that the sim card is worn out. I've decided to upgrade to the SE W600i. However, I personally have been through 5 phones. Each lasting about a month and a half each. I have never had a phone that worked the way it should for this long. I don't regret my purchase in the least.
Just a note for people who travel for their jobs. I recently received a letter that said "as part of our regular review of customer accounts, we have determined that more than half of your wireless usuage has been on another carrier's network. This situation occurs with less than one percent of customers on Cingular's plans. As a result, by April 5, 2006 we will remove your ability to use other carriers' networks and restrict your use to Cingular's network only." My problem is we are from Alabama, we have the family plan 2100 minutes, have accumulated 12,000 rollover, I hardly ever use my phone because I'm always at work or near the house phone. My husband and step sons work and travel with their jobs from Alabama, Tennessee, Missouri, Nebraska, Wyoming. My husband travels for six to seven weeks at a time and comes home for about a week. I was under the impression that with Cingular advertising nationwide free roaming and long distance, no matter where they traveled or for how long we would be ok. They say that he can select a wireless service provider who directly serves the area. The problem with that is that we are from Alabama, this job may not last forever and he lives out of hotel rooms. I just recently added a new line, and purchased 3 new phones. Now they want to change things. It shows in June that they will have some more coverage in Wyoming. Right now he is in Wyoming, but he travels through all the other states. We also have a small child, I like to be able to keep in touch with him. Also I noticed on my last bill, that I was charged for roaming in Atlanta. How are we suppose to know if we are on someone elses tower. The map shows Atlanta blanketed with Cingular service.
I got the same letter except mine says by April 7th. Whatever, I'll cancel but I wonder if they'll refund the cost of the 2 phones I purchased, the 1000 anytime minutes and 5000 rollover minutes that I've already paid for?
Well, I talked to the folks at Cingular and asked if they'd compensate me for the phones I had recently purchased, the 5000 + roll over minutes I had already paid for or the 800 anytime minutes I had already paid for. Basically the answer was "no." I did get them to drop me to their lowest rate plan for the previous month and for the duration of service until they disconnect me which amounts to about $30. The "customer service" guy said he expects to see a lot of Z500a's on eBay and I should request the unlock codes and put them on there. Dude, whatever.........maybe Cingular should take them back and put them on eBay themselves. What a jag! Anyway, I got the feeling that although the rep was saying there was nothing they could do, one could probably demand (at the very least) to back date a change to a lower rate plan for a few months and get a credit on their bill.
We received a similar letter about 2 weeks ago. I called and asked for an appeal on June 16th. When I called back today to check on the status of the appeal, they said there were 500,000 of these letters sent out and they have a lot of appeals to work through. I also went into a Cingular store as a new customer and was told that roaming and out of network calls would not be a problem. We have 3 college kids in various parts of the country. Has anyone else out there tried to appeal?
Same problem only I did not get a letter. I got a computer phone call (in late July). I've been with Cingular for 12 years. My husband travels from Texas to Utah, CO, WY, N. DAK, and N.Mex and we have been using our phones in these areas 90% for almost 4 years. We bought new phones in late June from Cing. and renewed for a 2 year stint. 32 days after we signed a contract, we get this automated call (to the second and least used phone) saying we had too much usage "out of network"! The phones are in my name and I called Cing immediately. I was on hold for over 3 hours from 2 phones! Evidentally, they made thousands of these calls that morning. When I finally reached a human, he was arrogant, rude and heartless as he informed me there was NOTHING I COULD DO TO SAVE MY ACCOUNT! He instructed me to send him a copy of my receipt for the phones, and he would cancel my contract AND my service right away. I WAS SHOCKED and HURT that after 12 years of never a late payment, that Cingular would do this to me! When asked what I was to do with these two new phones, he said "whatever you want to do with them!". Reminder, this was 2 days after I could've returned the phones to Cingular!
After an hour or so, I phoned back to see if BOTH phones were going to be cancelled (since we only got the automated call on the phone we use the LEAST!) and I got a very nice fella who actually looked at my call history and informed me that it appeared we did NOT have any unusual amount of "Out of Network" calls on EITHER phone, and this guy offered to appeal my case. He said it would take 10 days, but he phoned the next morning to let me know everything was OK. BUT he warned: Make sure you're not "OUT OF NETWORK" when you use the phones! Well, we are (and have been for 12 years ) on Cingular's National plan and now, wondering WHAT THE HECK FOR?? Husband has a Verizon that he uses in his business and we primarily use our Cingular phones for talking to each other only. Verizon doesn't seem to mind WHERE Hubby uses his phone on THIER National Plan, since it is REALLY a NATIONAL PLAN! And CINGULAR doesn't seem to GIVE A HOOT about loyal customers. Hubby's been trying to get me to switch to Verizon for 3 years, anyways, since Verizon works better most of the time, and I think, after this most recent slam by Cingular, he's absolutely RIGHT.
I work for a company that has part of their employees using Cingular, and I was given the arduous task of "fixing" our cell phone situation. We use four providers, including Sprint, Verizon and T-Mobile. I have to say, of all 4 of these, Cingular has been the worst. Not only were we on a 900 minute share plan for 10 people (for a business???) and were getting charged at least $800 a month in overages, but all of the reps I have spoken to have been ill-informed, and sometimes even downright rude to me. They made us switch to new phones to get off of the ATT side, but the new phones they sent us were incapable of doing what we needed; and taking them to the store to get them switched over was a nightmare. And now the most recent problem is that looking at our bill, we were charged cancellation fees on two lines even though we were well within our 30 day grace period. I hope that we will get to drop Cingular altogether and go with Verizon instead- they have been the best for us in my experience. I would not recommend Cingular to anyone.
Please call any local cingular (corporate owned) company and I am sure you will get a better deal than that. I am a cingular employee and have always been in sales. To sell something I personally have to believe in it, and I have done my research and I believe I am working for a wonderful company.
As far as the plan you received information on? I don't know what to tell you othere than the rep that you dealt with might not have understood your needs fully. I want you to understand that although every company in the world tries to hire competent reps...it doesen't always turn out that way. Please go to an actual store and eplain to a rep your needs...then base his answer on what other carriers are proposing. It is what it is....
I also have a Motorola V551 with Cingular service. I think it is HORRIBLE ! I would not recommend the V551 or Cingluar to anyone.
Cingular has provided the absolute worst customer service that I have ever experienced. I rarely get an actual call. I get to return missed calls and respond to voice mails all day. I cannot even imagine a more miserable excuse for cell phone service. But hey, if it is working well for you . . .
I believe if you are staying in one local area....Sprint or Nextel right now are best..We get signal with Nextel where Cingular's Moto V551 wouldn't dare get anything, but on the same hand if you went out of the area i heard that cingular is better with coverage and not as many dropped calls, especially here in the northeast united states...if it is possible would someone contact me if they can about updating the V551's firmware in the phone, I see everywhere on the internet that it will fix most my critical problems with my phone! not being able to hear with the earpiece and unable to charge problem i face all the time..and some added futures...and does anybody know how to fix the problem with these, when i close mine it continues to say Cingular on the outside not the time and signal...most of the time it don't know its closed! if anybody can help me update it...please try and contact me by email if its posted on here! thank you!!
I was a Cingular Wireless customer for 2 years and a Cingular Wireless employee for over a year. Honestly, if you are thinking that people are rude and the phones are junk, then you are right on both accounts. The company cares more about propaganda than their employees. I have seen people get written up and almost fired for being sick and in the hospital or taking paid time off that they had earned and others not have barely any displine for MUCH worse offenses. Store rep's constantly lie to customers to get them out of the store. They do not drug test so often times when you call in for support you are talking to a kid in college or a alcoholic/drug addict, including supervisors. Almost all of these people get paid less than $9.00/hr. and are told they are going to be fired if they dont follow procedures that make little to no sense are only more frustrating to customers. So next time you call in and the person seems to be going in circles. They're just trying to keep there jobs!
Worst Carrier I ever had....Customer Service is AWFUL...In-Store support cares only for new customers and dont give a damn about existing customers. My phone never works in my Apt and I heard similar issues from other people. I will never recommend anyone for Cingular/AT&T.
I had Cingular prepaid and I gotta say Cingular/At-t sucks...........
- A monthly charge of 75 cents that is never conveyed to customers when they sign up. - All outgoing calls get extra 15 seconds tacked onto it every single time. - When the balance low message plays (anytime balance is below 5 dollars), you get charged for the At-t message!! What a rip off!! - Voicemail is messed up 50% of the time and you still end up paying for the messed up call.
Austin, Texas--in town: Disastrous reception. Call may be good, then drops. I can stand in the same place without moving in my front or back yard, which I've had to go to to try to get reception, and the call will just fade out. Either I or the person on the other end cannot hear. Then the reception may come back a little in that spot. Finally I had to go to my landline to talk. I have to tell every person that the call may drop, which happens commonly. I've also had this horrible reception in San Jose. When I lived in Dallas and San Diego (technology downturn relocations) and before being bought by AT&T (related?), the receiption was fine. The reception was so bad in SJ that I could stand in the hallway and walk two steps into a spare bedroom, and the call would drop.
I also went through the same thing that someone else did. I went through three replacement Nokias (that was the only brand that would work at all for some reason in SJ) that I learned were garbage refurbished phones. I had not known that all replacement phones are refurbished. Then I was offered a replacement phone: Samsung Sync, which I had to pay for at the contract renewal price, and even though I was told that I did not have to renew my contract, the employee at the counter said it would be too difficult for him to process the phone unless I renewed. Then I had disastrous service. So they let me get another phone. I went back to trying the Nokia brand, now that they have different models--same disastrous coverage and virtually unuseable service. So now calls have dropped with Cingular customer service and the call quality was so bad that they offered another phone. What to try? Who to get if I get up on AT&T. Oh, and I also was told--just before the call dropped, that the fine print in the contract states that cell phone coverage is not a condition of the contract. It is not guaranteed. If I cancel--unless I try screaming like a maniac to manager and see what that gets, I pay a $175 charge for ditching them. After I go through another phone and am not able to talk, I will bite the bullet. I cannot believe that in a town that's existed for a bunch of years, I cannot talk on the phone anywhere in my house or front or back yard. AT&T/Cingular Wireless: crummy, crummy, crummy. |
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