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		<title>HP Officially Supports Debian</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Aug 2006 14:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John Goerzen</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, it&#8217;s true. I have two words for this: Woohoo! Finally.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, <a href="http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,126717/article.html">it&#8217;s true</a>.</p>
<p>I have two words for this: Woohoo!  Finally.</p>
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		<title>Now I&#8217;m a little annoyed at HP</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Jun 2006 22:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>John Goerzen</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[So, a little while ago, I wrote about why I like HP. This week, I&#8217;m starting to be annoyed at them. My employer just bought nearly $100,000 worth of HP hardware. We get a new MSA1500cs Fibre Channel SAN (with redundant controllers, FC switches, disks, etc), a new blade enclosure system, three blades to start [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So, a little while ago, I wrote about <a href="http://changelog.complete.org/posts/487-Why-I-Like-HP.html">why I like HP</a>.  This week, I&#8217;m starting to be annoyed at them.</p>
<p>My employer just bought nearly $100,000 worth of HP hardware.  We get a new MSA1500cs Fibre Channel SAN (with redundant controllers, FC switches, disks, etc), a new blade enclosure system, three blades to start with (all of them, at minimum, dual dual-core Opterons with 4GB RAM, and some considerably more), a rack to put all this in, etc.</p>
<p>So we&#8217;re starting to set all this stuff up.  I&#8217;ve got Debian installed on an NFS root for testing the blades and how they interact with the SAN.</p>
<p>The blades have an integrated dual-port QLogic QLA2312 Fibre Channel adapter.  The Linux kernel has a built-in driver for this (qla2xxx), which detects it and, so far at least, works fine.  We want to run kernel 2.6.17 because it&#8217;s the first version where XFS has decent semantics for write ordering to prevent corruption after a power failure.  Plus we want <i>at least</i> a 2.6.16.x kernel because we want to run the latest Xen 3.0 on these blades.  (Live migration of virtual servers from blade to blade &#8212; this will be great.)</p>
<p>But we learn that HP does not support the kernel qla2xxx driver.  HP does not say WHY they don&#8217;t support it, just that their own driver is the only one that they support.</p>
<p>After plowing through several annoying scripts to get to their driver, I realize why it fails to install: it is OLD.  At BEST, 2.6.14 is the most recent kernel it would even compile against (release date: October 2005), and I think the most recent version it supports is more like 2.6.8 (almost TWO YEARS OLD now).  They reference a whole bunch of kernel symbols and macros that were removed somewhere between 2.6.8 and 2.6.17.</p>
<p>I sent a ticket to HP support.  Their first request was to run their system information gathering tool and send them the results.  Fine, that&#8217;s reasonable.  I did so.  Next they say, gee, you&#8217;re running Debian, and we don&#8217;t support that.</p>
<p>Argh&#8230;. If they tried to compile it against 2.6.17.1 on RedHat or SuSE, they&#8217;d get the exact same problem.  I told them what symbols they were erroneously using, and a simple grep would have showed them that.</p>
<p>Besides, how many customers are going to be pleased with no upgrade path available for 2 years?  I wouldn&#8217;t want our kernel version to be held hostage to HP&#8217;s slow driver development process.</p>
<p>Sigh.</p>
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