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		<title>By: Bob</title>
		<link>http://changelog.complete.org/archives/7031-please-stop-removing-features/comment-page-1#comment-9881</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Oct 2011 11:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You have to enable the &#039;media player&#039; plugin for playback via playlist. But I preferred the old system which enabled a music player like audacious to link with gtkpod for great flexibility.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have to enable the &#8216;media player&#8217; plugin for playback via playlist. But I preferred the old system which enabled a music player like audacious to link with gtkpod for great flexibility.</p>
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		<title>By: JanKusanagi</title>
		<link>http://changelog.complete.org/archives/7031-please-stop-removing-features/comment-page-1#comment-9230</link>
		<dc:creator>JanKusanagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 18:52:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[s/new very appealing/NOT very appealing/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>s/new very appealing/NOT very appealing/</p>
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		<title>By: John Goerzen</title>
		<link>http://changelog.complete.org/archives/7031-please-stop-removing-features/comment-page-1#comment-9229</link>
		<dc:creator>John Goerzen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 18:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Honestly I haven&#039;t tried recently.  I may do so though since Gnome is frustrating enough.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honestly I haven&#8217;t tried recently.  I may do so though since Gnome is frustrating enough.</p>
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		<title>By: JanKusanagi</title>
		<link>http://changelog.complete.org/archives/7031-please-stop-removing-features/comment-page-1#comment-9228</link>
		<dc:creator>JanKusanagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 18:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That makes sense, but when resources are limited, you have to choose between your option (new very appealing to support old stuff with no future) or &quot;full speed ahead&quot;, putting all efforts on improving the new thing.

They chose the latter, and, even if communication about the plans wasn&#039;t enough,  I think, in time, paid off.

Do you have any problem with the _current_ state of KDE Plasma or Amarok?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That makes sense, but when resources are limited, you have to choose between your option (new very appealing to support old stuff with no future) or &#8220;full speed ahead&#8221;, putting all efforts on improving the new thing.</p>
<p>They chose the latter, and, even if communication about the plans wasn&#8217;t enough,  I think, in time, paid off.</p>
<p>Do you have any problem with the _current_ state of KDE Plasma or Amarok?</p>
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		<title>By: John Goerzen</title>
		<link>http://changelog.complete.org/archives/7031-please-stop-removing-features/comment-page-1#comment-9227</link>
		<dc:creator>John Goerzen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 18:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a developer too, so I understand that side of the equation.

Here&#039;s the simple thing to do in that situation.  Don&#039;t stop supporting the old version.  Mark the new one beta until it&#039;s done.  You don&#039;t have to do a lot of active development on the old one, just make sure it still compiles.  And above all, don&#039;t tell everyone that you&#039;ve done it because you know better than them what&#039;s best.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a developer too, so I understand that side of the equation.</p>
<p>Here&#8217;s the simple thing to do in that situation.  Don&#8217;t stop supporting the old version.  Mark the new one beta until it&#8217;s done.  You don&#8217;t have to do a lot of active development on the old one, just make sure it still compiles.  And above all, don&#8217;t tell everyone that you&#8217;ve done it because you know better than them what&#8217;s best.</p>
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		<title>By: JanKusanagi</title>
		<link>http://changelog.complete.org/archives/7031-please-stop-removing-features/comment-page-1#comment-9226</link>
		<dc:creator>JanKusanagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 18:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The user doesn&#039;t need to understand why a rewrite was necessary, just needs to trust the developers about it.

Rewrite is necessary &gt; first new version lacks stuff &gt; following versions bring the old stuff back AND other improvements.

I&#039;m very grateful to the developers for everything they do. The least I can do is to be understanding of their procedures and the problems around them. And if I can, I&#039;ll help. That&#039;s what free software is about.
Some people prefer to bitch, apparently...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The user doesn&#8217;t need to understand why a rewrite was necessary, just needs to trust the developers about it.</p>
<p>Rewrite is necessary &gt; first new version lacks stuff &gt; following versions bring the old stuff back AND other improvements.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m very grateful to the developers for everything they do. The least I can do is to be understanding of their procedures and the problems around them. And if I can, I&#8217;ll help. That&#8217;s what free software is about.<br />
Some people prefer to bitch, apparently&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Matteo F. Vescovi</title>
		<link>http://changelog.complete.org/archives/7031-please-stop-removing-features/comment-page-1#comment-9225</link>
		<dc:creator>Matteo F. Vescovi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 17:37:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s missing because there&#039;s no libmp4v2 in Debian, like Ubuntu has. License issues, I guess. Since it seems that mp4 support is so important (few other people asked me about that), I&#039;d like to take care of the RFP bug report against it (http://bugs.debian.org/552705), only after having gave a look at the Mozilla Public License. Or someone else could do it, if they have same spare time ;-) Or just wait for me to find some.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s missing because there&#8217;s no libmp4v2 in Debian, like Ubuntu has. License issues, I guess. Since it seems that mp4 support is so important (few other people asked me about that), I&#8217;d like to take care of the RFP bug report against it (<a href="http://bugs.debian.org/552705" rel="nofollow">http://bugs.debian.org/552705</a>), only after having gave a look at the Mozilla Public License. Or someone else could do it, if they have same spare time ;-) Or just wait for me to find some.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
		<link>http://changelog.complete.org/archives/7031-please-stop-removing-features/comment-page-1#comment-9224</link>
		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 16:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Looking at https://buildd.debian.org/status/fetch.php?pkg=gtkpod&amp;arch=amd64&amp;ver=2.1.0~git20110604.c707594-3&amp;stamp=1311262344,  maybe it&#039;s a missing b-dep:

Plugin Configuration :
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 CoverWeb Browser           .....: no
 Media Player               .....: yes
 MP4 File Type              .....: no
 M4A File Type              .....: no]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking at <a href="https://buildd.debian.org/status/fetch.php?pkg=gtkpod&#038;arch=amd64&#038;ver=2.1.0~git20110604.c707594-3&#038;stamp=1311262344" rel="nofollow">https://buildd.debian.org/status/fetch.php?pkg=gtkpod&#038;arch=amd64&#038;ver=2.1.0~git20110604.c707594-3&#038;stamp=1311262344</a>,  maybe it&#8217;s a missing b-dep:</p>
<p>Plugin Configuration :<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
 CoverWeb Browser           &#8230;..: no<br />
 Media Player               &#8230;..: yes<br />
 MP4 File Type              &#8230;..: no<br />
 M4A File Type              &#8230;..: no</p>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
		<link>http://changelog.complete.org/archives/7031-please-stop-removing-features/comment-page-1#comment-9223</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 15:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The users of their software&quot; is the key point.  I think they&#039;ve developed a strategy of continually focussing on users they don&#039;t have yet; and that is leaving the existing users in the dust.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The users of their software&#8221; is the key point.  I think they&#8217;ve developed a strategy of continually focussing on users they don&#8217;t have yet; and that is leaving the existing users in the dust.</p>
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		<title>By: John Goerzen</title>
		<link>http://changelog.complete.org/archives/7031-please-stop-removing-features/comment-page-1#comment-9222</link>
		<dc:creator>John Goerzen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 15:27:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think it&#039;s particularly relevant to the user that something was removed because of a rewrite.  All of a sudden the software is &quot;new and improved&quot; but your playlists are gone.  Oh, and the old version is now considered unsupported by upstream.  Rock, meet hard place.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s particularly relevant to the user that something was removed because of a rewrite.  All of a sudden the software is &#8220;new and improved&#8221; but your playlists are gone.  Oh, and the old version is now considered unsupported by upstream.  Rock, meet hard place.</p>
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		<title>By: JanKusanagi</title>
		<link>http://changelog.complete.org/archives/7031-please-stop-removing-features/comment-page-1#comment-9221</link>
		<dc:creator>JanKusanagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 15:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[They removed things _because_ of the rewrite and, in time, they brought them back, and added plenty more, both in Amarok and in KDE Plasma in general.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They removed things _because_ of the rewrite and, in time, they brought them back, and added plenty more, both in Amarok and in KDE Plasma in general.</p>
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		<title>By: John Goerzen</title>
		<link>http://changelog.complete.org/archives/7031-please-stop-removing-features/comment-page-1#comment-9220</link>
		<dc:creator>John Goerzen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 15:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh yes, KDE removed features.  I wrote this back in 2009 at http://changelog.complete.org/archives/1055-more-bumps-on-the-music-player-quest regarding the new Amarok:

&quot;Version 2 has mysteriously lost: the ability to see an iPod’s playlists, the ability to store a playlist in an m3u file and automatically keep it up to date, the ability to sync the Amarok statistics to an iPod, and more. Reminds me of the Gnome print dialog fiasco. “We’ve removed features. It’s better! Really! Oh, and we won’t support the old version either.”&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh yes, KDE removed features.  I wrote this back in 2009 at <a href="http://changelog.complete.org/archives/1055-more-bumps-on-the-music-player-quest" rel="nofollow">http://changelog.complete.org/archives/1055-more-bumps-on-the-music-player-quest</a> regarding the new Amarok:</p>
<p>&#8220;Version 2 has mysteriously lost: the ability to see an iPod’s playlists, the ability to store a playlist in an m3u file and automatically keep it up to date, the ability to sync the Amarok statistics to an iPod, and more. Reminds me of the Gnome print dialog fiasco. “We’ve removed features. It’s better! Really! Oh, and we won’t support the old version either.”&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: the_madman</title>
		<link>http://changelog.complete.org/archives/7031-please-stop-removing-features/comment-page-1#comment-9219</link>
		<dc:creator>the_madman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 14:40:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Waitwaitwait, what? KDE removing features? Can you say that with a straight face?

Tell you what, let&#039;s play spot the difference. Here&#039;s a screenshot of KDE 3.5.x:
http://kde.org/screenshots/images/3.5/01-welcome.png
And here&#039;s a screenshot of KDE 4.6.x:
http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.6/screenshots/46-w09.png

Pretty similar, aren&#039;t they? Look, there&#039;s the panel, with an application menu, and application launcher icons... and a pager, the task manager, system tray and obviously a clock... and there&#039;s KRunner, showing off one of its new features (completely contradicting your statement, by the way)... yup, looks pretty similar to me.

Gnome 2.30:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_3Lb62RCRATE/TFpVMw9EjxI/AAAAAAAAALM/vMCwsOwS8H0/s1600/F13-easyprint-screenshot.png
Gnome 3.0:
http://media.if-not-true-then-false.com/2011/05/fedora-15-f15-gnome-shell-plain.png

...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Waitwaitwait, what? KDE removing features? Can you say that with a straight face?</p>
<p>Tell you what, let&#8217;s play spot the difference. Here&#8217;s a screenshot of KDE 3.5.x:<br />
<a href="http://kde.org/screenshots/images/3.5/01-welcome.png" rel="nofollow">http://kde.org/screenshots/images/3.5/01-welcome.png</a><br />
And here&#8217;s a screenshot of KDE 4.6.x:<br />
<a href="http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.6/screenshots/46-w09.png" rel="nofollow">http://www.kde.org/announcements/4.6/screenshots/46-w09.png</a></p>
<p>Pretty similar, aren&#8217;t they? Look, there&#8217;s the panel, with an application menu, and application launcher icons&#8230; and a pager, the task manager, system tray and obviously a clock&#8230; and there&#8217;s KRunner, showing off one of its new features (completely contradicting your statement, by the way)&#8230; yup, looks pretty similar to me.</p>
<p>Gnome 2.30:<br />
<a href="http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_3Lb62RCRATE/TFpVMw9EjxI/AAAAAAAAALM/vMCwsOwS8H0/s1600/F13-easyprint-screenshot.png" rel="nofollow">http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_3Lb62RCRATE/TFpVMw9EjxI/AAAAAAAAALM/vMCwsOwS8H0/s1600/F13-easyprint-screenshot.png</a><br />
Gnome 3.0:<br />
<a href="http://media.if-not-true-then-false.com/2011/05/fedora-15-f15-gnome-shell-plain.png" rel="nofollow">http://media.if-not-true-then-false.com/2011/05/fedora-15-f15-gnome-shell-plain.png</a></p>
<p>&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: John Goerzen</title>
		<link>http://changelog.complete.org/archives/7031-please-stop-removing-features/comment-page-1#comment-9218</link>
		<dc:creator>John Goerzen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 13:13:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think it was, Matteo.  I looked for a playback plugin and didn&#039;t see any.  There are a lot of file type plugs, which are all enabled.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it was, Matteo.  I looked for a playback plugin and didn&#8217;t see any.  There are a lot of file type plugs, which are all enabled.</p>
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		<title>By: John Goerzen</title>
		<link>http://changelog.complete.org/archives/7031-please-stop-removing-features/comment-page-1#comment-9217</link>
		<dc:creator>John Goerzen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 13:11:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Also, I think Stavros had a good point.  Lots of people told Gnome folks that they were making poor choices.  Even Linus himself.  They didn&#039;t bother to listen to the users of their software, which is a big mistake.  I *DID* get a &quot;we know better than you&quot; attitude from them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, I think Stavros had a good point.  Lots of people told Gnome folks that they were making poor choices.  Even Linus himself.  They didn&#8217;t bother to listen to the users of their software, which is a big mistake.  I *DID* get a &#8220;we know better than you&#8221; attitude from them.</p>
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		<title>By: John Goerzen</title>
		<link>http://changelog.complete.org/archives/7031-please-stop-removing-features/comment-page-1#comment-9216</link>
		<dc:creator>John Goerzen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 13:10:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Isn&#039;t that just an example of poor UI design rather than too many options?  With the use of tabs, expanding boxes, drop-down lists, etc, that seems that it would be perfectly usable.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t that just an example of poor UI design rather than too many options?  With the use of tabs, expanding boxes, drop-down lists, etc, that seems that it would be perfectly usable.</p>
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		<title>By: Mattias Bengtsson</title>
		<link>http://changelog.complete.org/archives/7031-please-stop-removing-features/comment-page-1#comment-9215</link>
		<dc:creator>Mattias Bengtsson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 12:13:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The Gnome people somehow thought that they knew better than I what options I might want&quot;

This rant suggests that you think that the gnome hackers target their desktop at you solely. &quot;But couldn&#039;t i get a switch so that i can decide for myself!!122&quot;. That sort of &quot;freedom of choice&quot; is a smoke screen. You can&#039;t cater for all needs. As a programmer you will HAVE TO try to make compromises if you don&#039;t want to end up with interfaces that looks like this: http://justaddwater.dk/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/wgetgui-screenshot.png]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The Gnome people somehow thought that they knew better than I what options I might want&#8221;</p>
<p>This rant suggests that you think that the gnome hackers target their desktop at you solely. &#8220;But couldn&#8217;t i get a switch so that i can decide for myself!!122&#8243;. That sort of &#8220;freedom of choice&#8221; is a smoke screen. You can&#8217;t cater for all needs. As a programmer you will HAVE TO try to make compromises if you don&#8217;t want to end up with interfaces that looks like this: <a href="http://justaddwater.dk/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/wgetgui-screenshot.png" rel="nofollow">http://justaddwater.dk/wp-content/uploads/2006/12/wgetgui-screenshot.png</a></p>
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		<title>By: Stavros Giannouris</title>
		<link>http://changelog.complete.org/archives/7031-please-stop-removing-features/comment-page-1#comment-9214</link>
		<dc:creator>Stavros Giannouris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 10:26:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The main problem is not the removal of features per se, but the attitude towoards their users: &quot;We know better. You stfu and get used to the change&quot;.
That&#039;s what drove me away from Gnome in the first place. And frankly, I don&#039;t miss it.

Full disclosure: I am the coordinator for Xfce&#039;s Greek l10n team.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main problem is not the removal of features per se, but the attitude towoards their users: &#8220;We know better. You stfu and get used to the change&#8221;.<br />
That&#8217;s what drove me away from Gnome in the first place. And frankly, I don&#8217;t miss it.</p>
<p>Full disclosure: I am the coordinator for Xfce&#8217;s Greek l10n team.</p>
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		<title>By: Matteo F. Vescovi</title>
		<link>http://changelog.complete.org/archives/7031-please-stop-removing-features/comment-page-1#comment-9211</link>
		<dc:creator>Matteo F. Vescovi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 06:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi John! I&#039;m the (new) maintainer of gtkpod package. Hope it was not my fault with the new package, but there should be a plugin in gtkpod that you have to enable to play music now; and please check the gstreamer libs to eventually install to have it working properly. Hope this helps. If it doesn&#039;t, please let me know so that I can fix the problem (in Debian or even in upstream, asking for it). Thanks.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi John! I&#8217;m the (new) maintainer of gtkpod package. Hope it was not my fault with the new package, but there should be a plugin in gtkpod that you have to enable to play music now; and please check the gstreamer libs to eventually install to have it working properly. Hope this helps. If it doesn&#8217;t, please let me know so that I can fix the problem (in Debian or even in upstream, asking for it). Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: John Goerzen</title>
		<link>http://changelog.complete.org/archives/7031-please-stop-removing-features/comment-page-1#comment-9210</link>
		<dc:creator>John Goerzen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 03:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I see you making a slippery slope argument, but I&#039;m not trying to go there.

I think there is room to refactor software.  gtkpod was heavily redesigned recently, and it is fine.  Except that it can&#039;t play music anymore.

If you can appeal to a slippery slope, I&#039;ll appeal to common sense.  A music player should play music.  Not everyone has a PC speaker anymore (or wants to hear beeps from it instead of headphones).  Some people have directories with 5000 files in them and would prefer to type instead of click.

Linux 2.6.mumble (36 maybe?) removed v4l1.  This removed a feature, sure, and broke some stuff.  But I think it was a fine decision.  There is value to removing stuff sometimes.

But it needs to have a healthy dose of thought.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see you making a slippery slope argument, but I&#8217;m not trying to go there.</p>
<p>I think there is room to refactor software.  gtkpod was heavily redesigned recently, and it is fine.  Except that it can&#8217;t play music anymore.</p>
<p>If you can appeal to a slippery slope, I&#8217;ll appeal to common sense.  A music player should play music.  Not everyone has a PC speaker anymore (or wants to hear beeps from it instead of headphones).  Some people have directories with 5000 files in them and would prefer to type instead of click.</p>
<p>Linux 2.6.mumble (36 maybe?) removed v4l1.  This removed a feature, sure, and broke some stuff.  But I think it was a fine decision.  There is value to removing stuff sometimes.</p>
<p>But it needs to have a healthy dose of thought.</p>
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		<title>By: nona</title>
		<link>http://changelog.complete.org/archives/7031-please-stop-removing-features/comment-page-1#comment-9207</link>
		<dc:creator>nona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 02:05:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[the problem is that what&#039;s useful/convenient and what&#039;s unnecessary is very much in the eye of the beholder. Your Gnome Terminal bell problem for instance: even though I&#039;ve been using Gnome Terminal for 10 years, I was aware of neither the old nor the new behaviour. So a completely superfluous feature - for me.

My point is, there will always be somebody that depends on a certain feature. Any change will annoy or upset people. Does that mean we should never change anything anymore?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the problem is that what&#8217;s useful/convenient and what&#8217;s unnecessary is very much in the eye of the beholder. Your Gnome Terminal bell problem for instance: even though I&#8217;ve been using Gnome Terminal for 10 years, I was aware of neither the old nor the new behaviour. So a completely superfluous feature &#8211; for me.</p>
<p>My point is, there will always be somebody that depends on a certain feature. Any change will annoy or upset people. Does that mean we should never change anything anymore?</p>
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		<title>By: John Goerzen</title>
		<link>http://changelog.complete.org/archives/7031-please-stop-removing-features/comment-page-1#comment-9206</link>
		<dc:creator>John Goerzen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 01:28:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is something to be said for getting rid of things that aren&#039;t useful anymore (dselect might be one example).  I have no problem with that.  But getting rid of things that are useful and convenient -- that&#039;s a different matter.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is something to be said for getting rid of things that aren&#8217;t useful anymore (dselect might be one example).  I have no problem with that.  But getting rid of things that are useful and convenient &#8212; that&#8217;s a different matter.</p>
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		<title>By: nona</title>
		<link>http://changelog.complete.org/archives/7031-please-stop-removing-features/comment-page-1#comment-9205</link>
		<dc:creator>nona</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 01:11:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you can never remove features, you either end up:
- with a huge pile of conflicting or inconsistent features
- stagnating because you can&#039;t sanely add any more features
- with MS Windows

But I do understand your point about  GTKPod.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you can never remove features, you either end up:<br />
- with a huge pile of conflicting or inconsistent features<br />
- stagnating because you can&#8217;t sanely add any more features<br />
- with MS Windows</p>
<p>But I do understand your point about  GTKPod.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer</title>
		<link>http://changelog.complete.org/archives/7031-please-stop-removing-features/comment-page-1#comment-9204</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 00:10:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thnaks!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thnaks!</p>
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		<title>By: John Goerzen</title>
		<link>http://changelog.complete.org/archives/7031-please-stop-removing-features/comment-page-1#comment-9203</link>
		<dc:creator>John Goerzen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Aug 2011 00:02:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I can take a hint.  I&#039;ve hopefully made it clearer now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can take a hint.  I&#8217;ve hopefully made it clearer now.</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Bloom</title>
		<link>http://changelog.complete.org/archives/7031-please-stop-removing-features/comment-page-1#comment-9202</link>
		<dc:creator>Ken Bloom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2011 23:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lisandro: being a *native* English speaker, I had the same problem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lisandro: being a *native* English speaker, I had the same problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer</title>
		<link>http://changelog.complete.org/archives/7031-please-stop-removing-features/comment-page-1#comment-9201</link>
		<dc:creator>Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Aug 2011 23:21:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Being a non-native english speaker, I had to re read twice the first paragraph to understand that you weren&#039;t talking about apt :-/]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a non-native english speaker, I had to re read twice the first paragraph to understand that you weren&#8217;t talking about apt :-/</p>
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