Comments on: Tagging music… No, not like that

By: tofiyt

tofiyt — Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:47:23 +0000

Quick Tag (http://blog.seanmcg.com/?page_id=116) may help you on that. It works with iTunes and uses Grouping field to save tags. It’s kinda user friendly and also generates a tag cloud to select tags easily.

By: Kevin Mark

Kevin Mark — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 11:07:33 +0000

most music programs used standard taxonomies: artist, album, etc. It sounds like you are looking for something closes to a folksonomy like flikr has. This is metadata and as other have mentioned, a popular way to store metadata in music files is ID3 fields. So you would have to have a program that could save/retrieve/display/search for a custom field in this file metadata. I dont know as much about music players in FLOSS, as I read from your other comparisons in previouis posts, you have researched the topic. Another thought crossed my mind wrt debtags-like data (Artist::Bob Dylan,Genre::Folk,Tag::protest song,Tag::Uses::harmonica,etc.) So the ID3 tags might be enhanced in this way, just add you own non-standard ones, or have the field contain a UUID to a database with your tag data and then create a mytags program to just deal with this data and then figure out a FLOSS program that might include that functionality and hack or file a wishlist bug.

By: charon66

charon66 — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 18:41:22 +0000

I don’t know if it fits, but I think nepomuk [and strigi] should do the job of looking into ID3 and integrate with other tags you give. That’s a more general aproach because it is for every type of file.

By: cjanscen

cjanscen — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 18:04:21 +0000

Apev2 tags have support for arbitrary tags which you could use to make a sort of key=value scheme, for instance you would have all the standard tracknumber=1, artist name=prince type things and then you could add mood=somber or whatnot.

Bonus points for fetching metedata from allmusic.com

By: John Goerzen

John Goerzen — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 14:58:22 +0000

That’s an interesting idea too. I gather that SqueezeCenter can serve music to a Roku SoundBridge, which we have, and perhaps also to various clients. Thanks for the suggestion; I’ll look into it too.

By: John Goerzen

John Goerzen — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 14:57:22 +0000

Ah, now that’s a very interesting idea. I’m already a big MusicBrainz fan and have a pretty solid rule that nothing enters my collection unless it’s been tagged with Picard already. (I only make exceptions for things that aren’t fit to be entered into MusicBrainz at all.)

By: harry666t

harry666t — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 13:55:11 +0000

Funny you mention that. I’m at the moment designing a music player/organizer with support for various “tags”/labels for individual songs, albums, artists, musicians, listeners, etc and relationships between them (“song x is an intro to song y”, “album x is a concept album”, “song x also appears on album y”, “artist x is similar to artist y”, “i like to listen to song x when i’m sad”, “musician x plays instrument y on song z”, “person x doesn’t like artist y”, “i downloaded album x from the net before its release, so don’t submit it to last.fm in the next few weeks”, etc).

Then you could script the thing in some nice ways (for example, in “intelligent random mode”, it would put the whole concept album rather than just one random song from it on the playlist, unless the song in question is tagged as being fine to listen to even when it’s out of context). You could also tell it your mood and it’d try to not play stuff you wouldn’t like to listen to at the moment, or tell it that your mom is visiting you and it shouldn’t play songs she wouldn’t like, etc.

I’ve already written some code, but most of the thing still lives only in my head and on paper.

By: foo

foo — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 11:30:44 +0000

SqueezeCenter (Squeezebox Server) with a SqueezeBox or Softsqueeze. Then use the Genre tag to include tags. e.g. “Rock;party;dance;loud”. You’ll then be able to browse the tags and also generate random playlists including certain tags. At least that’s what I do and it works fine for me. Also the Genre tag is hardly used for anything and doesn’t mess up browse list on other (portable) players that cannot handle multiple tags in tags.

By: W

Sat, 20 Jun 2009 10:11:59 +0000

seems like you really need a tool to utilize the id3 field ‘comment’ instead of raping the genre field as someone suggests.

By: auser

auser — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 09:26:33 +0000

Hi
The Picard Tagger form musicbrainz offers to put last.fm tags
in the gerne filed of the id3-tags (with a pluggin).
Musicbrainz itself has added tagging (both on a “per user” and “over all” base) some time ago. If you sign up, add tags and then go to http://musicbrainz.org/user/tags/ you will find your “personal” tags. hth.

By: Benjamin Sigonneau

Benjamin Sigonneau — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 06:15:54 +0000

If you’d like to hack a little, I’d suggest you give a look at the Logic_File_System page on wikipedia, then go on for the wiki mentionned in the external links. The tutorial deals with music, so that should give you a good idea wether you’d like it or not.

By: John Goerzen

John Goerzen — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 03:38:16 +0000

Their privacy policy makes me nervous, so I’d rather have something directly on my machine. I guess I need to learn more about them, esp. if I can somehow tag my collection there.

By: John Goerzen

John Goerzen — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 03:37:47 +0000

I’ve tried using playlists; it’s annoying. Sure, you can easily see all tracks with a given “tag” (playlist). But how can you see what tags a given track has?

Not only that, but you can’t usually just type a list of ‘em. It’s cumbersome.

By: Patrick

Patrick — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 03:15:58 +0000

How is this any different than play lists in iTunes? Of course the ui is a little different, but the functionality is the same.

By: Luke Palmer

Luke Palmer — Sat, 20 Jun 2009 01:58:33 +0000

Last.fm?